You wrote " In conclusion I must admit that it baffles me why so many people ….reject the knowledge of the sages who spent their entire lives seeking HaShem "
We should not follow Rabbinical "proper ways" as if there is such a thing (we can glean some historical insights but don't think that modern Kaballah or Jewish mystecism resembles anything like the Judiasm Yeshua practised. Yeshua says
"If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him." -- Jhn 14:7 NKJV
"He who hates Me hates My Father also -- Jhn 15:23 NKJV
Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also -- 1Jo 2:23 NKJV
In conclusion their teachings should be rejected as they reject Yeshua , don't have the Ruach and don't know the Father.

We cannot follow the Mishnah , Talmud, teachings of Rabbis or Sages ect. but the whole Bible alone (including the inspired Apostolic writings)
"And that from a child thou hast known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." -- 2Ti 3:15-17 KJV
We cannot undermine the authority and sufficiency of the Bible.
If we are Yeshua's disciples and know Him all we have to do is ask Him like His disciples in Luk 11:1 " teach us to pray"

The Oracles of HaShem.

The Jewish people have spent thousands of years pouring their brains into the Hebrew Scritures, then comes Jonny come lately, to tell them (the Jewish people) that they are wrong about Torah and the way needs to be view and observed. Worst when they do not know any Hebrew, and lack of historical understanding of pratical Torah practice. It is outer ignorance to blow off the smarts of the Jewish people for fancy gentile imaginations. If you can not do like the Jews, then you are making a new form of Church, a new anti-Semitic organization. This type of church likes the idea of the God of the Jews, the Messiah of the Jews, the Sscritures of the Jews, but not the Jews. Read:

Romans 3 1 What advantage, then, is there in being a Jew, or what value is there in circumcision? 2 Much in every way! First of all, the Jews have been entrusted with the very words of God.

Pslam 147: 18 He sendeth out his word, and melteth them: he causeth his wind to blow, and the waters flow. 19He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel. 20He hath not dealt so with any nation: and as for his judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the LORD.

Deal with this two Scriptures, or if you do like the facts on the ground, then we take back our God, our Scritures, our Messiah. And you get your own. JC.

I do not understand how you got from the above comment to your reply. Neither will others if you are only willing to post 1/3 of it. Just to clarify. To express a believe that the Holy Scriptures is sufficient for us and that we do not need the TEACHINGS of those who do not know the Father is not the same as anti-semitism. Yes, the culture of the Bible is Jewish. The Messiah is Jewish. Adonai chose the Jewish people to bring the WORLD the Scriptures and the Messiah. The value in being Jewish is indeed great for they are His chosen people whom He will NEVER reject and whom He will bring to their Messiah in the last days. We pray for Jerusalem and His precious people every Shabbat. But we can not in our love for them be blind for the fact that the Scriptures teaches us that we can not know the Father if we do not have Yeshua. Adonai has provided us with plenty of Yeshua believing, Jewish, Hebrew knowing teachers who have the leading of the Ruach Ha Kadosh to lead us in all truth thrue His Word.

No one can "deserve" the bounty we receive fom HaShem! That is a fundamental truth, an unchanging truth. Of course we dot "earn" salvation, however, when we OBEY HIM we HONOUR HIM! Emuna, ACTIVE FAITH, not merely saying we believe, but living a life that reflects belief. So . . . how do we know what we must and must not do? There is ONE TRUTH and that truth is found in Torah! When we are observant from childhood, not just going through the motions but LIVING FOR HaSHEM, if we grow up studying Torah, observing ALL HIS COMMANDS! But it is imperative to understand what the Law really and truly is telling us.

How do we do this? We also study the words of the sages who, through constant prayer and study, by fully submitting to the law: by seeking Him in every way possible, by fasting, praying, waking, and sleeping, eating and breathing what HaShem demands of us. You may "think" anything you choose but that does not mean what you beieve is true. selah. without training and practice a lawyer cannot understaqnd what the "spirit" or intention of the law actually means. Likewise, someone who has been a volunteer at a hospital and has learned many things they cannot be a doctor or a nurse and an orderly, or an OR assistant with out many years of study. It follows that we cannot simply read Tanach a few times and then claim to understand what Torah is telling us. We need sages, leaders and commentators who are well learned in order to fully grasp what HaShem is telling us . . . telling us what we need to do in the most important thing we will ever do . . . worship, serve and please our Master, Melech haOlam. Anyone who dares to throw aside the wisdom of their teachers are mothin short of being fools.

Hello Louis, it seems that HaShem, not me; does not want the other two responses, I have approved them (the 3 of them), but only one is showing up. You can have your opinions, but to me, they are prideful. The Bible is quite clear, HaShem gives the Jewish people the ORACLES of God. The Jewish people are the first born of HaShem, and as such He uses them to bring the knowledge of HaShem to the world. If you ignore that order, then you are making your own religion (whether you agree with this or not, this is how the Christian Church got started). You may say you love the Jewish people, but I would hate to became a member of your Religious Organization. I rather be Jewish, and follow the Jewish ways (Historical Judaism).

Shalom,

Amein, well said.

I agree that a vast majority of X-ians who claim to love the Jewish people and love Israel are simply blubbering away and trying to convince th Apple of G-ds Eye, that they must come to the Father by turning away from what HaShem, El Gibor, Adonai T"Zaot taught us millenia ago. This missonary propaganda is evil and those who attempt to lead us away are the children of lies. Who is the father of lies? We all know the answer to that. Personally I am disgusted by all the "goyim" who snot themselves into a tizzy when they "cry for the damnation of the Jews". The only thing such people want to do is so X-ianise those whom HaShem cherishes. Such evil will be erradicated along with the muslims who continue in their attempt to murder every one of us. When i see the skyline of Jerusalem my stomachh turns. The crosses and the golden hump defile Jerusalem, they defile our Holy Land!

I myself left the Church years ago because I understand that a new religion was created appart from the Torah. I do not belong to any Religious Organization. I strongly believe that the Oracles of God that was brought to all humanity WERE committed to the Jewish people and are to be obeyed by all those who call Him Father. And so His proimissed that ALL THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD will be blessed thrue Abraham's seed was fulfilled in Messiah Yeshua. I was led by His Spirit (not by man) to the fact that every one of His commandments in Torah stands. I know that I can trust in His Word as complete and sufficient to lead me in all truth. If you believe that the Bible is not complete and Adonai still ARE committing His Oracles thrue those who do not know the Father then this is where our paths become unreconcilable. I blelieve the Bible to be complete. I will not visit this site again.

Susanna, the Hebrew Bible does not change, does not have time limit. It says HaShem gives the Word to Jacob. Is not in the past. You can follow your path then, but it is not of HaShem that is for sure.

One thing is clear to me. All those who hijacked this post to show their bias get angry when we state facts. If you deviated from prayer (which is what this post is all about) then you have a problem. Un-able to stay focus, and angry about something (against Jews may be?). I am just saying.

How sad this is . . . I mean really sad. Are we not adult enough to converse and debate while maintaining mutual respect. The high and mighty attitude I feel from the remarks of Louis & Susanna reflect their core beliefs and attitudes toward actually LEARNING from ome another. It is perfectly obvious that their "sect" is far, very far, from the foundational teachings of Torah. It is also crystal clear that they have not bothered to study the tzadikim, if they had they might, MIGHT have a totally different atitude. In the absence of a In zealous desire to let go of the theme-park, roller-coaster ride emptiness of x-ian dogma the TRUTH cannot possibly found. If it weren't such a weighty life-and-death topic this badminton match to and froing would be hilarious.

Can anyone imagine walking blindly into a synagoue and attempting to over-throw the Rabbi? It might just make a rather interesting but idiotic reality show. the terrifying reality is that these people (and there are millions of them) train their children to believe in the fairy-tale "just be a good boy/girl and say a prayer every night and G-d will bless you" lies that the lead straight to Sheol. It is outrageous to see how the yetzer harah is foremost in the teachings of these little sects and cingregations that suppose they can hi-jack true tzadikim and full in the blanks with the sugar-coated doctrine that they found so repugnant in the congregations they left in the first place. Selah . . . .

Mishpacha, remember that we are in the final days; prophesies are being fulfilled across the globe. I truly, truly implore you to cast off the worldly practice of shunning the one true way. As we all know, there is ONE G-d and ONE WAY and it is the way of HaShem. It isn't as though HaShem asks us to do anything contrary to basic human decency. Far from it! In fact HaShem gives us every thing we need to have a healthy and fulfilling life. He even tells us something basic like washing our hands before we eat . . . it may seem like unimportant but remember that the bubonic plague, tuberculosis and many other afflictions were rampant in part to a total lack of hygene (sorry, my spelling is the pits, lol) . But a few thousand years prior to the plagues that devasted villages and cities alike HaShem spoke the the Children of Israel and commanded them to observe His Law because it is the only way we have of surviving the pestilances that ravished entire countries, killing rich and poor alike.

If you feel that His Way is beneath you then you are totally lost. If you find His Law cumbersome you have never known His Law. If you continue to turn against the beauty and joy of Torah you will find yourself empty and alone all your life. And, as I mentioned earlier, time is runnig short! Why not give our Master His due and submit to Him and His perfection? Once we take that initial step toward obedience we understand the depth of joy that David felt, we begin to see how His Word, His love and His chasitment shape us into better people. Do not get me wrong . . . NO ONE IS PERFECT or ever will be but we must strive with all our hearts, minds, strength and effort to please and obey the only One that matters. Ein od milvado!